At the height of his power, Pre-Retcon Beyonder gave everything that existed a few hours to continue existing before he wiped everything out. Beyonder at first during SW2 didnt even have a concept of life or death for a while and was even manipulated by normal people, by the end of SW2 he was more knowledgeable but to the basic comrepehension of stuff, Lucy on the other hand is one of the most cunning people in DC and with his power combined he should think of a way to beat PRB other. Been done here on the vine. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. Beyonder 39%. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. Be careful man, soon the Lucifer fanboys will come out and lecture you about how Lucifer will curbstomp every single fictional being. But it wont be easy by no means. Especially if they all team up on him. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. Something like "Weakest DC Villain that could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder" would be fine though. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had. It could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. R2: God stomps. Gan & Crimson King VS Pre Retcon Beyonder. Going by Cosmology Tiering. deactivated-5b3daad020468. You. This was not just simply the power of Transcendence. Vs. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. cweaver • 7 yr. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. it would be mostly stalemate. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. Pre Retcon Beyonder would be accidentally retconned once more. 4 years ago. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. And the modern US military can easily beat Homelander, but a few thousand guys are dying. 11. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. Man, This a huge mismatch. Spectre's power is ultimately his own power. Then again PRB could be true Omnipotent, but it seems like too much of a stretch. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. ) No Superman anything, gonna at least make this sorta interesting 2. And just think, he was HOLDING BACK THE ENTIRE TIME, just so that he could only FIT INTO the Marvel multiverse without IMMEDIATELY DESTROYING IT due to his massive power. Beyonder if what I hear of Gan/Crimson King is true (and. You do not scale a boundless entity from its cosmology. He stomps. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. Lucifer Morningstar (with the Demiurgic Dunamis): Lucifer Morningstar traveling to Marvel multiverse towards know more about it and just traveling to events of. Wich by the way, Beyonder, would just make a tought to undo them all. . The Beyonder was ALMOST killed by a Universe level attack. Manhattan is super strong. As a result, for his experiment, he. Beyonder still probably loses to Thought Robot Superman, Final Batsuit Batman, Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, Perpetua, the Darkest Knight, true form Darkseid, etc. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. Forum Posts. • 1 year ago. Why does the Beyonder look so cheesy. Beyonder is either: A. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). give evidence of who wins. R1: PRB toys with Class 1-A, turning Bakugo into fireworks, Mineta grapes, Tsuyu a real frog you get the gist. 5. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. ago. Super Power Score and Level. jwwprod. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Beyonder displayed far superior implicated power than the. :The mage went to their respective verses o fight 4. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2,. That's a sense of just what level the Beyonder is at. Pre-retcon Beyonder was almost omnipotent. 5 years ago. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. Momentarily Matches Beyonder in a battle that causes Multiversal TremorsBut my vote for Pre-Retcon Beyonder just cause marvel writers stated he been TOAA in his own multiverse and all combine power in all multiverse in a millions times lower than him . Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. Maybe the 3rd depending on how you interpret things, and we don’t know the 4th. There is no way to square all of the things The Beyonder could do pre-retcon with the origin they assigned to him post-retcon, so you kind of need to make a distinction between the. 1. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. • 1 year ago. the Celestials on occassion were referring to as this strong, which in. Post retcon, he is about as powerful as a cosmic cube. #28 ovy7. #17. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. Thank you. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Pre retcon beyonder one shots all. Additional comment actions. Key: Incomplete Cosmic Cube | Ascended Cosmic Cube (Kosmos) | Adult Beyonder | Escaped from the House of Ideas. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. High Hyperverse level (The Beyonder is an infinite dimensional being. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. ImKindaANiceGuy • 3 yr. God Emperor Doom has no feats that matter at this level, Pre-retcon Beyonder turns him into a toilet. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. Superhuman Strength: Superman Prime One Million has the ability to physically lift humongous levels of weight, and deliver physical blows of colossal magnitudes. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Probably loses rds 5 and 8. Someones who can ONESHOT multiverse > > > > > someones who. 2. Beyonder Doom 14. show 3 replies . . Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. May 26, 2023. Mad Jim Jaspers. Q, although claims omnipotence, was still very bound with what he could do. You can't be above the power of the wrtiers. 0. Forums. 33. Yes, Fu is at least in Hyperversal, he could be put higher in the arcade and games, but the minimum is Hyperversal, although I don't know why it has been put as in three threads Beyonder vs Fu, Fu is not even close to the levels higher than DB, it is a medium high level at best In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. Battle for the Multiverse! The Beyonders & Thanos have teamed up to destroy The Beyonder & reclaim power over the Marvel Multiverse. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. He wouldn't be. He is his total opposite and equal in power. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. ago. Beyonder is not that strong unless you wank him with his omnipotence bs which is stupid considering Michael's power has been stated to be limitless too. Powers and Stats. I think he wins this. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. R1 - Beyonder godstomps effortlessly, he's millions of times more powerful than the Marvel multiverse, which is infinitely bigger than Dragon Ball's multiverse. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. super strength is not worth much in such a fight. He. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Beyonder is either: A. 3. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. 2. Beyonder is hurt. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. Beyonder can’t catch Alison before she dies. Powers are basically the same thing. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. So even at a lower power level, Lucifer may still beat him. let's wait and see his actual feats. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes. •Beyonder is infinitely bigger than the whole multiverse [which has infinite number of universe in it] •Beyonder is infinitely powerful than all of multiverse combined. on. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. check for yourselves in the Cosmic/Abstract Bios if you wish at Marvel in their histories. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. 0. Phoenix Taaia 26. Jack Kline can’t do shit. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 20. Femto would oneshot 100% of Marvel not even Pre-Retcon Beyonder can stop this monster, you have to be as powerful as Lucifer Morningstar to have a chance of fighting Femto but even then i would. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Wiki Points. That's all there is to it. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. 66. -. I forget her name. But I no good enough knowing about Lucifer Morningstar . Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. PR Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse itself and is. 2 years ago. I really can't be asked to go. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. Beyonder squashes him like a bug. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. ago. That is PRE-retcon Beyonder. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. #3 JohanLiebert123. On the other hand, though, hasn't Doctor Doom. Manhattan's league. Furthermore, Mandrakk also. Forum Posts. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. on Beyonder's page it says he is over a million times more poweDoom manages to steal Beyonder’s power. 8 C. The Beyonder stomps. Mee09. Every hero on earth was totally useless against a flawed celestial patched together from bits and pieces of long dead ones. This is the power level used when referring to PR Beyonder or PR Molecule Man. g: Master Roshi, Donkey Kong. ago. Dr. the_doctor. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. Beyonder. when people talk about pre-retcon marvel like pre-retcon beyonder or pre-retcon molecule man what storyline was the retcon. #1 Edited By XiiX. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. Lucifer. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Team 1 wins. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. 3. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. During most of the trial, he was a silent witness, holding Protege, the Beyonder, and the Guardians of the Galaxy, while the Tribunal, Eternity, and the Hawk God argued the case. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power?. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. Sort by:Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. In that case, E would be 10. The Tribunal wins this without even breaking a sweat. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. on. The Beyonder and Molecule manage to make their way to the DC universe, Beyonder threatens to destroy creation. Indeed. there are tons of ways to argue. Follow 3300. Forum Posts. Battle. Beyonder 73%. Round 2 : Post Retcon. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. ago. ProfessorRespect. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. 10 years ago JackKnightPR Beyonder's power was likened to an ocean while the Marvel Universe was said to be a drop of water in comparison. They both basically live outside of the multiverses that they are part of. AVX is probably the best example of this. Forum Posts. Imagine that as a drop of water. who’s full power. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. Thanos wins. So I might be missing something. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. The story is a flashback to the original Secret Wars so he had Pre-Retcon Beyonder's powers, that's the Spider-Man being used. Forum Posts. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. ) No fan. Or maybe some version of Neil Gaiman's Endless beings. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Dude’s absolutely broken. so what beyonder does that agianst guys 1000x their level. Follow 21460. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. as strong as mxy was, he was nowhere near that level. CryptoBrainiac, the highest level intellect in all of DC and the only villain to go out into the Source to find more information how things really are, says Myxzptlk's power of Imagination is infinite. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. ) Speed= Immesurable, Omnipresent in the Beyond-realm. Prepare for. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". 9: Dr. let's wait and see his actual feats. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. 7: Old Lord Thanos. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. Thank you. 4. -One. Super Power Score and Level. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. Fires a blast that according to Beyonder, could slag Several Billion Dimensions. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. Prep isn’t an instant win and Rick got bodied by some below wall level guys even with prep. Archived post. Beyonder needs some preparation. Basanos who are nothing more than a mimcry of Destiny's book could see and create infinite possibilities just to kill Lucifer. Now in terms of power levels, oh yeah, he ridiculously outscales any of themAnd the Ivory Kings are nowhere near Pre Retcon Beyonder's power level. At this power level he was still able to affect things across the universe, across dimension, and across time, which I think puts him far above Sentry. Far from Beyonder levels. so that places a limit on his power. Molecule Man utterly in fear admitted that Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) is on levels unimaginable to him and self-stated that he cant Match Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) in power meaning that Beyonder was infinitely. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. This also includes any editing errors, spelling errors, grammar errors etc. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: On the opposite side of that spectrum, is the Beyonder. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. By the way what is Hajun's power i mean kkk is has no official English translation and baste on what i know from all the translated content his basically Lung from worm and can escalate his power with the. Doom did. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Beyonder is better then the verse it is really to vague an obscure but really they don't seem to come close to his level of power and I doubt they are supposed to be interpreted as such. Originally posted by galan7777777. Beyonder's every retcon was stated to be this strong , no matter which one you are referring to. @yamiyodare: Living Tribunal has held 2. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse. 2. who universe. 967. Wiki Points. Nothing can come close to infinite creation and/or destruction. The Darkest Knight (Man who laughs) vs The Beyonder. Also. 9: Dr. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. When talking Beyonder, We're referring to a dude whose power level was measured as "quintillions" of times greater than everything in the multiverse combined, and laughed off a. on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. 43. So I might be missing something. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Manhattan will almost vaporize all the people in here, but he will stop at Molecule. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Oldfather 18. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. Nejfelt • 2 yr. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. trolls can call other people trolls. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely stronger than the entire Marvel Multiverse, Phoenix Force is only the sum of all life in the multiverse (although never ever depicted anywhere near this level). New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. ago. But you are right about Elder God Demonbane being created just to be all powerful, Pre-Retcon Beyonder is kind of the same he was created to be TOAA of another multiverse outside of the Marvel. ]Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. These sorts of characters tend to push higher on the scale occasionally -- notably, Molecule Man was able to match Pre-Retcon Beyonder and he and Franklin Richards recreated the multiverse. He is the central antagonist of the Battleworld arc in Season 4: Secret Wars. . #11. we have here two supreme beings, fighting in all the multiverse, and they don't care if the multiverse is destroyed or not, all they care about is toBeyonder (Pre-Retcon) runs the gauntlet. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. CitizenSentry. Full123. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. 7 years ago. Beyonder is marvel. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. Wiki Points. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. 10 years ago. Follow 4533. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. Pre Retcon Beyonder (Same reason as The Presence) Kami Tenchi (Once again, for similar reasons as The Presence) Archived post. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. Even The. #36. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. pre-retcon Beyonder. Ima go with byonder. Supposedly he retconned himself, so this would mean pre- and post- retconn are same power level. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. PRB was TOAA before TOAA was a thing.